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mindstalk ([personal profile] mindstalk) wrote2006-06-02 10:51 am
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First Fruit, Deep History

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_sc/ancient_figs_2

Probably domesticated (since seedless mutant) figs found from 11,400 years ago, north of Jericho. Oldest evidence of plant domestication, predating cereals and legumes by 1000 years.

Expanding on the diptych thread: we think of the classical Greeks and Romans as the ancients, thanks to the Renaissance and lack of competition. The classicals in turn were awed by the antiquity of Egypt, and for that matter the Jews: we're 2000 AD, classical Greece was 500 BC, Egyptian records go back to 3000 BC. But domestication goes back to 9000 BC, and the oldest cities might as well. People as we know them are at least 50,000 years old (Australia being settled and cut off about 40,000 years ago) with art and musical instruments and beads to match.

So "Ancient history" (Egyptians, Sumerians) only covers the last 10%, at most, of the real history of Homo sapiens. There's 45,000 (maybe 70,000, maybe more) years of technological, cultural, and religious development behind us, with no more traces than tools, food middens, art, and maybe tally sticks -- which last might suggest astronomy was going on.

[identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com 2006-06-02 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
But really, I think most LJ behavior isn't new at all. It's a substitute, unbound by space and time constraints, for getting together with friends and chatting, or for gossip, or for ranting in public. People chatting in cyberspace rather than around the village well. You and I conversing this way, rather than walking two blocks to visit or go for drinks. :) Of course, you also get to converse with friends in Ohio, and I get to trawl Wikipedia in the middle of a discussion. But the basic drive is yakking with people.

For wider distribution of information, there were scriptoria, pre-printing publishing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scriptorium

Now I should be off and meet with people to yak^Wrun Buffy board games.