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mindstalk ([personal profile] mindstalk) wrote2021-07-13 11:07 am

walkability again

3rd in a series, previous is here.

kchoze had said the US has 8000-12000 people per supermarket, so I've been using 12,000 to be conservative. But a casual websearch turned up the US having 38,000 "supermarkets", or one per 8400 people. Say 8000. Then a density of 8000 people/km2 is walkable like 12,000, one market per square kilometer. And we can apply the checkerboard trick of the previous post, so that even 4,000/km2 has no one more than a kilometer from a supermarket.

There's a simpler approach: instead of thinking in squares, because they're easy to lay out, think in diamonds, the 'circle' equivalent for a grid, all the locations within X distance of a point. If r is the distance from a center to the corner of a diamond/square, the area is 2r^2. So a diamond of 1 km 'radius', trip length, around a supermarket, has area of 2 km2, thus 8000 people at a density of 4,000/km2.

kchoze, and a couple more websearches, indicate that both the US and Japan have a bit over 2000 people per convenience store. If we assume a max of 6 minutes or 0.5 km for a 'convenient' walk, then there's an area of 0.5 km2, or 2000 people at the 4000 density. Just enough to support it, maybe. If we want a 4 minute walk, that needs a density of 9000 people/km2 to get 2000 people. For 2 minutes, like a real 'corner store', you'd need a density of 36,000 people/km2.

Anyway, that seems to be a couple different approaches pointing to a local density of 4000/km2 being the bare minimum for walkability, if laid out just right, with respect to supermarkets and corner/convenience stores. If you want lower density without much car use, make sure people feel safe biking, e.g. by making sure any cars can't go fast. And if you want robust walkability, go higher -- 6000-12000.

I'm not sure about supermarkets in Japan. One source says 5000, so 24,000 people each; another says 20,000, for 6,000 people each. A source has 2384 supermarkets in Canada, for nearly 16,000 people each. Definitions of 'supermarket' may vary.

[personal profile] contrarianarchon 2021-07-14 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
(I don't have anything much to say off the top of my head but am commenting to say that this is interesting and I endorse you thinking/posting about it)

... actually minor nitpick, WRT the supermarket density thing, the reason for the higher range despite the known ratio would be that some percentage of the population doesn't live near a supermarket, right? I wonder how these numbers have changed over history.