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Another exercise, regarding Floor Area Ratio.

Imagine a model km2, 36% of which is road (not unusual for the US), so 64% is buildable lot -- 640,000 m2. Say half is zoned for residential. (I don't know why so low, but I recall Seattle being about that.) Americans apparently have 80 m2 of housing per capita, which seems high to me, but let's use it.

Say the FAR is 1.0 -- every lot is filled with a one-story building, or a 2-story takes half the lot, or a 3 story takes 1/3 the lot. 320,000 m2, 80 m2/person, so 4000 people/km2. Not particularly dense -- Boston is 5500, Chicago used to be and is still around 4500 -- but not terrible.

Of course, residential often clumps, so if we imagine a mostly residential zone, then even with grocery stores and schools, we would approach doubling the density locally -- 8000 people/km2. Which is significant for supporting small businesses in a walkable neighborhood. One supermarket per km2 or so, a 10 minute walk away for everyone.

If the FAR is 2.0 -- two story terraced housing filling the lot, 3-story on 70% of the lot, 4-story on 50% -- then double both numbers. 8000/km2 for the city, now denser than San Francisco, 16,000/km2 for the residential clump. A real city!

OTOH, if the FAR is 0.5 -- a one story building on half the lot, or 2-story on 1/4 the lot -- then the city is at 2000/km2. Like most of Silicon Valley, as it happens. Also modern Detroit.

Emotionally I would say you need a FAR of 1 to even qualify as a city, and really more like 2. One story buildings that don't even fill their lot isn't a city, it's a village.

What about parking? The whole point of a walkable city is that not everyone needs a car! But part of that 36% land use for roads is going to be curbside parking, so lots of spaces there -- not enough for everyone to have a car, but maybe enough for everyone who needs a car, especially if you price them right. You can also have garages a la Japan to meet further demand.

If you didn't build specifically for cars, then your roads are probably 15-25% of the land, not 36%. Which allows even more low-rise density.

Date: 2019-12-17 01:34 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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Thanks for sharing all of these calculations with us.

Quick reaction is that I think I'd rather use human density, not FAR to determine what is a city. I love the idea of small footprint homes interspersed with lush green space.

Row houses feel like a nice way of saving space without losing amenities...

Date: 2019-12-17 11:54 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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Small lots mean less money need to get one, and more landowners making more diverse decisions, and smaller buildings mean less disruption if you have to tear something down.

Are you familiar with the sad situation with the old rowhouses in Baltimore? They've effectively bundled these two issues together: they were originally a way that a low income family could actually own a home with a small yard, and were evidently a wonderful thing when they were new, but the market price for a unit is *so* low that over the decades unit-owners have moved away and it hasn't been worth the effort of finding a buyer, so they just abandoned the unit. Baltimore is now gradually tearing down the neglected buildings, but it's slow going because there are lots of rows that still have a small number of units occupied, and that's a difficult situation to navigate.

wasting space

Have you written anything about what you see as constituting "wasted" space? I know you wrote a thing a while back about the value of trees in cities, and I think that there's similar value to front gardens as well. Back yards are a different issue because they cordon off large spaces in ways that don't have a public benefit. Off the top of my head, maybe a nice alternative would be to have homes back onto public parks.

I live in Somerville, MA, which is one of the denser towns in the U.S., and feels plenty vibrant to me (I also like Chicago and Berkeley). The standard small lot here is 1/8 acre lots with a two-family house filling most of the lot and a tiny yard. We currently live in one of these, and according to Zillow one unit is 1,234 square feet = 115 square meters for a family of three (40 per person, though one of the people is a small child). I'm reasonably satisfied, but I wish we could replace our driveway with grass. We rent, though, so that's not going to happen.

I would be happier still if we also had flatmates and slightly more common space inside the house (multiple families / individuals sharing a unit tends to get erased from conversations about density). Having a larger house with more people per square foot and a larger yard would be lovely.

Date: 2019-12-17 12:01 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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Quick additional thought on Somerville: one of our neighbors is a state representative and has been pushing back against zoning changes to further increase density specifically because the city *already* has so much impervious surface that there are drainage problems.

Date: 2019-12-17 20:29 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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Are you sure they're filling most of the lot?

Might be failing to account for driveways, plus it's hard to estimate area when it's spread in a fringe around the house. With our current place, I think it's the combination of forgetting to add front yard and back yard together and oh yeah driveway.

Anyway, I think Somerville is plenty dense, and I wouldn't want to make do with less greenspace.

Did you know that planners in New Hampshire think of 1/4 acre lots as "cluster zoning"? True facts.

Date: 2019-12-17 20:40 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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Addendum. My highly scientific guestimate of our actual lot size on Google Maps puts the area of the lot at something more like 2400 square feet = 222 square meters. So that was probably throwing me off as well.

Date: 2019-12-18 14:09 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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I have no objection to people wanting to live with space, I object to their forcing it on everyone else. And banning apartments.

In this case it's actually the opposite. This is a big pro-density push. Historically, standard lots in most NH towns have been 2 acres.

Yeah, if 1/8 acres are standard somewhere in Somerville, it's not up against the Cambridge border where I saw.

Part of my overestimation of the lot area was because of an argument I had with a New Hampshire colleague who didn't believe you could fit a house on less than 1/8 acre. I remembered looking it up on Google maps, but I'm not sure what the actual lot size was on the houses I was checking. 1/8 acre was what stuck wth me.

Date: 2022-11-22 20:29 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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I imagine they have some preconceived notions about a house including a two-car garage and a lawn, but I'm not sure.

Date: 2019-12-19 20:09 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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I am confused. I thought we were talking about the vibrancy of living in a place.

Date: 2019-12-19 20:36 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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Throughout this conversation you keep referring to mandates, legal restrictions, and so on. That's not the way I've been approaching the conversation at all. I'm just thinking about what a community could and should be, from my own perspective.

I think mixed use is fantastic. I think cities should be walkable. I think vibrant cities combine residential space, greenery, and commercial space. I think it's really unfortunate that as demand for urban living goes up the lower income people who keep the city going are driven out to the suburbs, so that vehicle miles traveled aren't reduced at all, just who is doing the driving is changed. I don't know the best way to get the things I value, but I do think it's useful to identify those things.

I never said that there should be a mandate that people have a front garden (how did that idea even come into the conversation???), and at the moment I'm not concerned with the fact that lots of U.S. cities mandate against a front garden because most U.S. cities also aren't *at all* interested in the kinds of goals that I think would make cities more pleasant, sustainable, and livable, so the fact that they want to cover everything with grass monocultures of uniform height is kind of beside the point.

Date: 2019-12-19 20:37 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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And when I say "plenty dense" what I mean is "plenty dense to be liveable without a car." Lots of people here have cars anyway. I think most of them shouldn't.

Date: 2019-12-19 20:12 (UTC)From: [personal profile] elusiveat
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If we're talking about supply and demand, my gripe is that high density housing construction is driven by real estate speculators who want to get rich by filling apartments and condos with rich people without much regard to whether there exist enough rich people to fill those spaces. There's something really wrong if you vastly increase the density but housing prices don't go down. Also not at all okay with the fact that these luxury structures are not built to last. When they start falling apart *then* housing prices will go down. That's not good planning.

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