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Greta Christina


1. Why atheists are angry;
2. Why our anger is valid, valuable, and necessary;
And 3. Why it's completely fucked-up to try to take our anger away from us.

So let's start with why we're angry. Or rather -- because this is my blog and I don't presume to speak for all atheists -- why I'm angry.



And I'm angry that Christians still say smug, sanctimonious things like, "there are no atheists in foxholes." You know why you're not seeing atheists in foxholes? Because believers are threatening to shoot them if they come out.


She links here, with the quote [Highlights]: Hearing Chapman also say that for a woman to be religious, it was like "a freed slave still living on the plantation." Which is maybe *too* strong, but I think it's got something to it, especially for Western Abrahamic religions.


Greta again on religion as fan-fiction

Given the rough outline of a narrative, human beings are unbelievably good at filling in the gaps, fleshing out the characters. And if the basic outline of a narrative has flaws and inconsistencies, we are unbelievably good at creating explanations and rationalizations and apologetics. We are unbelievably good at making the inconsistent consistent, making the indefensible defensible.

And that's exactly what religion looks like to an outside observer. It doesn't look like an internally consistent, evidence-based description of a consistent, reasonably predictable world. It looks like an unbelievably complex -- brilliant, even -- attempt to make sense of a story. And while the stories it's trying to make sense of are often fascinating and compelling, they're still stories: made up by people, with the inherent inconsistencies and gaps, cultural blind spots and flat-out mistakes, that any story made up by people is going to have.

Date: 2007-10-17 15:07 (UTC)From: [identity profile] fanw.livejournal.com
By that definition then I'm totally atheist. That is, I don't believe there's a big guy (or gal) up there deciding/interfering in people's lives. Never have. Of course, I don't call myself "atheist" because then people pick a fight with me over issues I don't even support which I suppose goes to fuel her argument that atheism isn't tolerated in this country!

Date: 2007-10-17 15:50 (UTC)From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
That can happen even to unabashed atheists. "Hitler and Stalin were atheists and killed millions of people!" And people who aren't atheist, like Epicurus or Thomas Paine, can get slapped with the atheist label.

Reaction to Sam Harris's call to not be "atheist" seems to be settling on "opprobrium follows labels, as negroes^Wcoloreds^Wblacks^WAfrican-Americans and moron^Wretarded^Wspecial children can tell you, and labels get tacked on anyway, so we should imitate the gays/queers and turn it into pride." "Yes I am atheist, what's it to you?"

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